Re: [Caml-list] Ocaml compiler documentation

> 1. What is the difference between an extension and an attribute? From what I
> understand, they are both means of integrating additional metadata into the
> AST that can then be parsed by implementations of the ast-mapper, but why
> are there 2 mechanisms?

Attributes are supposed to be "optional" information attached to
existing AST nodes:
let@shadow x = e1 in e2

If you erase attributes, you get back a valid AST. The implicit
contract that syntax-extension designers that use attributes ought to
respect is that the presence of attributes should not change the
semantics of the underlying code (but it can direct additional code
generation, etc.): at first approximation it should be possible to
read the code without attributes, understand what it means, and then
refine one's understanding with knowledge of the particular attributes
used.

The compiler can ignore unknown attributes.

On the contrary, extensions are AST nodes by themselves: [% foo] is an
expression (when used in an expression position). If you erase the
extension, you get an invalid AST with a missing hole. They are
designed for situations where it makes no sense to forget about the
extended-syntax part.

For more information, see
https://github.com/ocaml/ocaml/blob/trunk/experimental/frisch/extension_points.txt


On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:48 AM, Yotam Barnoy <yotambarnoy@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok I think a good place to start a tour of the compiler is in
> parsing/parsetree.mli. This file is actually very well documented, with
> terse but effective examples of almost every constructor and type.
>
> I had to refer to the OCaml manual for a few of the corner cases. For
> example, I didn't know about the #class type shortcut. I think a few
> comments explaining the more obscure facets of the language could be
> helpful.
>
> Since the file is so well documented, I only have a few questions. I'll
> accept an answer or a hunch from anyone -- don't feel shy because you think
> you're not sure about the answer:
>
> 1. What is the difference between an extension and an attribute? From what I
> understand, they are both means of integrating additional metadata into the
> AST that can then be parsed by implementations of the ast-mapper, but why
> are there 2 mechanisms?
>
> 2. What is demonstrated in lines 114-117 regarding polymorphic variant row
> fields:
>
> | Rtag of label * bool * core_type list
> (* [`A] ( true, [] )
> [`A of T] ( false, [T] )
> [`A of T1 & .. & Tn] ( false, [T1;...Tn] )
> [`A of & T1 & .. & Tn] ( true, [T1;...Tn] )
> *)
>
> What does the bool value represent?
> Why are the type separators in the comments using the & symbol?
> What is the difference between the 3rd and 4th example?
>
> 3. line 684: what is the purpose of the override flag on Pstr_open? It's not
> explained by the comment.
>
> 4. The toplevel phrases are not clear. What is the purpose of Ptop_dir on
> line 721?
>
> Like I said, feel free to jump in and answer any one of these questions.
>
> Thanks in advance for everyone's help
>
> -Yotam
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 6:03 AM, Mark Shinwell <mshinwell@janestreet.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> I would suggest that it's probably better to keep the documentation as
>> comments where possible. However, I think it is important to avoid
>> excessive commentary, especially if it is likely to get out of sync as
>> a result of future modifications to the code. It may be that in some
>> cases making alterations to the code (for example, improving the name
>> of a variable) is a more satisfactory approach than adding a comment.
>>
>> Thanks for working on this.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On 31 March 2014 18:51, Yotam Barnoy <yotambarnoy@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I think it depends on how much feedback I get on any particular
>> > question. By
>> > default, I would like comments to go in the code. Additionally, there's
>> > the
>> > ocaml-internals wiki at https://github.com/ocamllabs/ocaml-internals
>> > which
>> > will be useful for any concepts that span multiple files, or that are
>> > too
>> > beginner-oriented. I'm guessing that for many things, it will just have
>> > to
>> > be decided on a case-by-case basis.
>> >
>> > Of course, the most important ingredient for the success of this
>> > 'project'
>> > is the willing, patient participation of the core team, as well as the
>> > other
>> > experts on this list.
>> >
>> > -Yotam
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Milan Stanojević <milanst@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Thank you for doing this, I'm interested in learning more about how
>> >> compiler works.
>> >>
>> >> Are you creating a separate file(s) to document the compiler or you
>> >> are adding comments to ml files?
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Yotam Barnoy <yotambarnoy@gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Hi everybody
>> >> >
>> >> > It's been mentioned before that the OCaml compiler's documentation is
>> >> > somewhat lacking. I've been going over the compiler code gradually
>> >> > (both
>> >> > the
>> >> > frontend and the backend) and while some parts are understandable
>> >> > enough,
>> >> > others are missing some basic explanations. Some explanations are
>> >> > also
>> >> > spread out throughout the codebase, making it hard to know what
>> >> > something
>> >> > means unless you've read another part of the codebase that relates to
>> >> > it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Since the call to submit documentation commits has gone mostly
>> >> > unanswered,
>> >> > I'd like to suggest a method of making both my own progress through
>> >> > the
>> >> > code
>> >> > easier and hopefully making it easier for others who will follow.
>> >> >
>> >> > What I'm going to do is, focusing on more or less one file at a time,
>> >> > I'll
>> >> > post newbie questions to the list about the code. Once I'm satisfied
>> >> > that I
>> >> > have a good enough understanding, I'll add comments to the
>> >> > aforementioned
>> >> > files and submit pull requests for them. I also encourage others to
>> >> > do
>> >> > the
>> >> > same.
>> >> >
>> >> > What I need from the list, and especially from the more knowledgeable
>> >> > members (who already know the compiler code) is the willingness to
>> >> > explain
>> >> > the concepts and answer my questions, annoying as they may be. I have
>> >> > a
>> >> > pretty decent background in compilers, ASTs, code generation, etc,
>> >> > but
>> >> > not
>> >> > so much in type inference.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm not suggesting a particular timeframe for this process -- I'm
>> >> > doing
>> >> > this
>> >> > on the side while working on a research project and TAing, but I
>> >> > really
>> >> > would like to get to the point where I can make significant
>> >> > contributions to
>> >> > the toolchain, and if I can help others who follow in my footsteps,
>> >> > then
>> >> > that's a nice bonus.
>> >> >
>> >> > While I could have skipped this introduction and just proceeded with
>> >> > inundating the list with questions, I felt that this (hopefully)
>> >> > gives a
>> >> > purpose and perhaps motivation for those who have the answers to
>> >> > answer
>> >> > my
>> >> > questions even if they get annoying. In particular, I may often miss
>> >> > some
>> >> > parts that may seem obvious because I don't necessarily have the time
>> >> > to
>> >> > read all the connected code in depth. Hopefully you'll bear with me.
>> >> >
>> >> > Does this sound reasonable to the fine folks on the list?
>> >> >
>> >> > Yotam
>> >
>> >
>
>

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